Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 124

02/13/2007 01:00 PM House MILITARY & VETERANS' AFFAIRS


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01:05:38 PM Start
01:06:31 PM Presentation by the Department of Military and Veterans' Affairs
02:03:59 PM HB45
02:34:26 PM HB62
02:49:00 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Overview: Dept. of Military & Veterans' TELECONFERENCED
Affairs - Major General Craig Campbell,
Commissioner
*+ HB 45 STATE VETERANS' CEMETERY & FUND TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ HB 62 TUITION WAIVER FOR NATIONAL GUARD FAMILY TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 62(MLV) Out of Committee
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
HB 45-STATE VETERANS' CEMETERY & FUND                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:03:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROSES  announced that  the next order  of business  would be                                                              
HOUSE  BILL  NO.  45,  "An  Act   authorizing  the  Department  of                                                              
Military and  Veterans' Affairs  to establish and  maintain Alaska                                                              
veterans'  cemeteries;  and  establishing   the  Alaska  veterans'                                                              
cemetery fund in the general fund."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:04:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAVID  GUTTENBERG, Alaska State  Legislature, joint                                                              
prime  sponsor, described  his  conversation  with a  constituent,                                                              
the  widow  of  a veteran,  who  voiced  her  unhappiness  at  the                                                              
absence of  a U.S. Department  of Veterans' Affairs  (VA) cemetery                                                              
in  Fairbanks.     Representative   Guttenberg  said   that  while                                                              
exploring  the  possibility  of  establishing  a  VA  cemetery  in                                                              
Fairbanks,  he determined  that Fairbanks  is not  eligible for  a                                                              
national  cemetery  but is  eligible  to apply  for  the VA  State                                                              
Cemetery  Grants  Program  (grant  program).    This  legislation,                                                              
similar to legislation  last year, will create  the procedure that                                                              
allows a community  to apply to  VA for a VA cemetery  through the                                                              
grant   program.       The   restrictions   and    structure   for                                                              
administrating  the  program  will  come from  federal  VA  funds.                                                              
There  is a great  deal of  support for  HB 45  from veterans  and                                                              
service organizations around the state.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:07:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOSEPH FIELDS began  by clarifying that although he  is vice chair                                                              
of  the  Alaska   Veterans  Advisory  Council  (A.V.A.C.)   he  is                                                              
speaking  on his  own behalf.  He  informed the  committee of  the                                                              
increasing  need for  a  VA cemetery,  due  to  the aging  veteran                                                              
population and  present deployment of  troops.  He  mentioned that                                                              
HB  45 addresses  problems  brought  out last  year.   Mr.  Fields                                                              
encouraged the swift passage of HB 45.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG  recalled that  one of the  concerns Mr.                                                              
Fields voiced  about last year's version  of HB 45 was  that funds                                                              
for  it would  be diverted  from other  VA benefit  programs.   In                                                              
2005, the national  director of the grant program  assured A.V.A.C                                                              
that other VA benefits will not be reduced.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROSES asked:    "Are [the  federal  funds]  required to  be                                                              
passed through  the Department of  Military and Veterans'  Affairs                                                              
of the state?"                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUTTENBERG related  his  understanding that  funds                                                              
would come to the  state as a grant from the VA  and then would be                                                              
disbursed  as state  appropriations  for construction  and  burial                                                              
costs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:10:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAHLSTROM  indicated that she has not  been able to                                                              
complete  her research  on the  bill and  asked if  Representative                                                              
Guttenberg  has met  with Major  General Campbell,  or others,  to                                                              
organize  the  details   of  the  grant  process   and  financing.                                                              
Although there is  support for the bill, details  of the financing                                                              
need  to  be worked  out  in  a subcommittee,  or  before  further                                                              
action on the bill.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DANA KRAWCHUK,  Staff to  Representative David Guttenberg,  Alaska                                                              
State Legislature, testified  that the basis of HB  45 is to allow                                                              
the state  to apply to  the grant program  and if granted,  create                                                              
the regulations  for implementation.   The grant program  pays for                                                              
100 percent of  construction and operation, however,  the state is                                                              
responsible  for  the cost  of  yearly maintenance  and  operating                                                              
staff.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:12:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUTTENBERG recalled  that during  the creation  of                                                              
the  bill  his  office  consulted   Jerry  Beale,  State  Veterans                                                              
Administrator,  Department  of  Military,  and  Veterans'  Affairs                                                              
(DMVA) regarding the administration of funds.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAHLSTROM  inquired as to which agency  at the DMVA                                                              
would be responsible for funding.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRAWCHUK  identified  Mr. Beale  as the point  of contact  for                                                              
information;   however,   she    mentioned   that   Representative                                                              
Guttenberg's  staff  had  not spoken  to  Major  General  Campbell                                                              
about the bill.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:13:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAHLSTROM  asked  what exact  position  Mr.  Beale                                                              
holds.   She  then  highlighted the  importance  of following  the                                                              
correct   disbursement   procedures   for  federal   funding   and                                                              
recommended  sponsors  of the  bill  avoid potential  problems  by                                                              
meeting with Major General Campbell and others.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  GENERAL  CRAIG  CAMPBELL,   Adjutant  General/Commissioner,                                                              
Department  of Military  and Veterans'  Affairs (DMVA),  confirmed                                                              
that Jerry  Beale is the DMVA  State Veterans' Administrator.   At                                                              
this time  there are  no state veterans'  cemeteries;  however, he                                                              
assured  the  committee that  Mr.  Beale  is the  appropriate  and                                                              
proper  staff person  to represent  the state  and coordinate  the                                                              
grant program.   He also  noted that at  the time the  legislature                                                              
considers action  on the state veterans' cemetery,  his office and                                                              
the governors'  legislative liaison should  be involved.   He said                                                              
that although he  has not been asked to take  an official position                                                              
for  the   DMVA  and  he  would   like  to  review   the  proposed                                                              
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROSES asked  the presenters if funding can  be provided only                                                              
for a separate cemetery  or if the veterans' cemetery  can be part                                                              
of an existing municipal cemetery.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:16:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH   pointed  out  that   the  regulations                                                              
specify that  the grant  application must  be for a  "stand-alone"                                                              
cemetery, not to be combined with an existing cemetery.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked Representative Guttenberg  to clarify                                                              
whether  or  not the  bill  specifies  that  the location  of  the                                                              
veterans' cemetery will be in Fairbanks.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG  replied that the result of  one of last                                                              
year's  amendments was  that any  community  meeting the  criteria                                                              
can apply;  however, Fairbanks is  the only Alaska  community that                                                              
currently  meets the demographic  criteria  of the grant  program.                                                              
He continued  to explain  that one of  the criterion  for approval                                                              
of  national  veterans'  cemeteries is  decided  by  demographics;                                                              
therefore  Alaska, with  existing  cemeteries  at Fort  Richardson                                                              
and  in  Sitka,  would  not  be   eligible  for  another  national                                                              
veterans'   cemetery   until   the   Alaska   veteran   population                                                              
increases.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH  referred to the letter  of support from                                                              
AARP specifying the  location of the cemetery to  be in Fairbanks.                                                              
However, she related her understanding that                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     While people  are supporting  [a cemetery] in  Fairbanks                                                                   
     and  that might  be the  only  community that  federally                                                                   
     meets  the  definition  requirements  that is  not  what                                                                   
     this  bill does.   This  bill  sets up  a framework  for                                                                   
     money to start  accumulating so that we could  pursue at                                                                   
     a  particular point  in time  a cemetery  at a  location                                                                   
     that we would choose in the future.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG replied:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     No,  ...  it simply  allows  the  [DMVA]to apply  for  a                                                                   
     grant and whether  they are eligible or not  ... it sets                                                                   
     up a  fund [in the general  fund] but there is  no money                                                                   
     in it until  the grant process happens and  the VA sends                                                                   
     the  money  in  and  that   is  where  it  would  go  to                                                                   
     construct a cemetery.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:22:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  noted that  the  document contains  an                                                              
income date  of July 1, 2007, and  asked if an effective  date for                                                              
the acceptance  of donations  is needed.   She also  expressed her                                                              
support of the  inclusion of AS 37.05.590(c) [which  ensures funds                                                              
allocated  will not  lapse].   She  then asked  if  monies in  the                                                              
general  fund  are  invested  for  a  short-term  or  a  long-term                                                              
return.   Representative  Fairclough  then  expressed her  concern                                                              
about AS  26.10.030, which allows  the acceptance of gifts  to the                                                              
veterans'  cemetery fund.   She called  the committee's  attention                                                              
to the  possibility of  a gift  of land,  for example,  that bears                                                              
costs and  liabilities.  The bill  cites state code, but  does not                                                              
set  out  a procurement  process.    A  gift and  gift  acceptance                                                              
policy  would be  a  benefit to  the state  and  [may prevent]  an                                                              
unseen liability.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:23:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GUTTENBERG  informed   the  committee   that  the                                                              
federal VA guidelines  address the question of  the available land                                                              
for  the project  grant.   He quoted  from the  VA guidelines  the                                                              
following:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Suitable  land should  be  easily accessible  by  roads,                                                                   
     free  of limitations  such  as rocks,  steep slope,  and                                                                   
     wetlands,   uncompromised  by   incompatible  land   use                                                                   
     nearby,  appropriate   for  cemetery  use.     Land  use                                                                   
     already owned  by the state, municipality, or  county is                                                                   
     usually  best, the  state must  have title  to the  land                                                                   
       ... analyze possible negative, environmental, and                                                                        
     historic preservation impacts.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG  concluded that the land  issues will be                                                              
addressed by  the terms of the  grant program, and in  response to                                                              
a question,  confirmed  that the  state would  designate the  land                                                              
prior to the application of the grant.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:25:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH  explained that she is  questioning, not                                                              
the federal guidelines  on the suitability of the  land, but state                                                              
statue regarding  gifts of  land and  whether the statue  requires                                                              
the investigation  of possible  liability  issues.  She  continued                                                              
to say  that the State  of Alaska should  have a process  to limit                                                              
liability  in  accepting  a  gift.   This  bill,  she  maintained,                                                              
creates  a framework  for  accepting  cash and  alternate  revenue                                                              
streams  for additional  donations,  similar  to  the Division  of                                                              
Motor Vehicles  commemorative license  plates.  She  suggested the                                                              
committee might  consider ways to  limit the state's  liability in                                                              
accepting gifts rather than eliminating the donation clause.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX noted  that word in  AS 44.35.035(b)  "may"                                                              
takes away the obligation of accepting a gift.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:28:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH  said:  "The issue is does  the State of                                                              
Alaska have  a gift acceptance policy?   At least on  the citation                                                              
in  this  particular  bill  before   us  that  particular  statute                                                              
citation  does not  include the  policy, it just  says we'll  take                                                              
gifts."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAHLSTROM  recommended that the  committee research                                                              
the state's established policy for receiving gifts.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:29:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAT  LUBY,  Advocacy Director,  American  Association  of  Retired                                                              
Persons  (AARP), and  an Alaska  veteran,  informed the  committee                                                              
that AARP  has submitted a  letter in support  of HB 45.   He said                                                              
that burial  in a veterans'  cemetery is  the last chance  for the                                                              
U.S.  to recognize  the service  of veterans  and their  families.                                                              
Passage  of  this  bill gives  thousands  of  veterans  throughout                                                              
state,  who   are  not   living  in   Sitka  and  Anchorage,   the                                                              
opportunity to be honored in a local cemetery.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:31:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LISA PUSICH, State  Accountant, Division of Finance  Department of                                                              
Administration,  responding  to  a question  from  the  committee,                                                              
stated that she  would investigate the state  policy regarding the                                                              
acceptance of gifts.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAHLSTROM recommended that  members send  the bill                                                              
to a  subcommittee or  request that  the sponsor research  answers                                                              
to the questions raised by the committee.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:32:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUTTENBERG offered to  provide the committee  with                                                              
answers to the many  questions.  Also, in response  to a question,                                                              
he  stated   that  the  amendments   from  last  year   have  been                                                              
incorporated into HB 45.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  GENERAL CAMPBELL  assured the  committee that  DMVA is  the                                                              
proper department to assist the sponsors of the bill.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROSES indicated HB 45 would be held over.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                

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